Penguin414 wrote:

Owen wrote:I'd say 50% is a massive underestimate of the amount of bots. In my opinion it's at least 65-70%, the amount of smurf accounts probably takes that figure up to 80-90%; I'm just having an educated guess though. Feel free to disagree.

I was sceptical at first of not being able to get to 500k, but since you can get free membership i'm expecting a bot to do all the work. YAY for another reason for this poll to be completely worthless.

Let me get this straight, are you trying to say that 65-70% of all members accounts are bots? I just find that to be an interesting "educated guess".

When it comes to this update, what do you want them to do?
Everyone complained in the wilderness vote when everyone could vote because it was too easy to get around.
So now Jagex put restriction on voting, to allow for the people that -actually pay- to vote for what happens with the situation you're still not satisfied.
As I said, they can't have 07 non member account to vote, because that would lead to just as much crap because people like me still have 5+ f2p accounts that they made ages ago that they can use to cast more votes.
Nothing will -EVER- be perfect.

And now you're even saying there is a chance you might play the game because of the update that you are so strongly against?

I just honestly don't understand any more.

At what point did I say I was against a 2007 server? Sure, I said the 2007 server will have a massive impact on the current game, but what do I care I don't play the current game anymore.

What do I have an issue with? How Jagex has handled the entire thing.

They made a statement saying it's technically impossible, that to me means.. they've looked into it, and it's not possible, not.. oh wait we actually only just looked into it now and found a backup, it's possible now;

The voting means absolutely nothing, there's no reason not to vote, they're incentivising voting by giving away free membership - it's nothing more than a marketing ploy; portraying Jagex in the light of "We're doing this for the community" - which I believe they just aren't, feel free to disagree with that statement I really don't care either way.

Sure, everything can be perfect i'm a pessimist, I know that I am, so I tend to look negatively; What should I be saying if what i'm saying is so wrong? Omg 2007 SERVERS ARE COMING BACK omfg!? Well, i'm sorry but it's not as black and white as that, and I don't like being lied to.

Like I said before, they could EASILY have a vote where nobody knows the results until they publish them, giving them ample time for analysis; Gaining feedback from every part of the community rather than.. the people that still enjoy the current RS, which let's face it, the 2007 server isn't really aimed at those people.

A side point that kind of got dragged into this discussion is that, the reason behind having a 2007 server is mainly for those people that have quit, i'd argue the majority being in the pking community, as post-eoc pking is essentially dead. The only real thing that gets me with a 2007 server in concept is that they're basically admitting post-eoc PvP will be dead in the future- that's just my opinion and pretty off-topic but i'd thought i'd put it in here anyway.

414 wrote:Let me get this straight, are you trying to say that 65-70% of all members accounts are bots? I just find that to be an interesting "educated guess".

I don't know the situation now since I don't play anymore, but when I was playing loyally, that was my educated guess, yes. Don't forget, that includes trail-member accounts.

Owen wrote:At what point did I say I was against a 2007 server? Sure, I said the 2007 server will have a massive impact on the current game, but what do I care I don't play the current game anymore.

After how defensive you have been about it and statements like;

Owen wrote:I really don't see what Jagex is trying to achieve by doing this, yes the community asked for it, but by making a 2007 server in my opinion will pretty much kill the current Runescape.

I assumed. You think that Jagex aren't doing the right thing and thus, you think Jagex are doing the wrong thing and thus against it. I thought it was a logical deduction.

Owen wrote:The voting means absolutely nothing, there's no reason not to vote, they're incentivising voting by giving away free membership - it's nothing more than a marketing ploy; portraying Jagex in the light of "We're doing this for the community" - which I believe they just aren't, feel free to disagree with that statement I really don't care either way.

Sure, everything can be perfect i'm a pessimist, I know that I am, so I tend to look negatively; What should I be saying if what i'm saying is so wrong? Omg 2007 SERVERS ARE COMING BACK omfg!? Well, i'm sorry but it's not as black and white as that, and I don't like being lied to.

Like I said before, they could EASILY have a vote where nobody knows the results until they publish them, giving them ample time for analysis; Gaining feedback from every part of the community rather than.. the people that still enjoy the current RS, which let's face it, the 2007 server isn't really aimed at those people.

A side point that kind of got dragged into this discussion is that, the reason behind having a 2007 server is mainly for those people that have quit, i'd argue the majority being in the pking community, as post-eoc pking is essentially dead. The only real thing that gets me with a 2007 server in concept is that they're basically admitting post-eoc PvP will be dead in the future- that's just my opinion and pretty off-topic but i'd thought i'd put it in here anyway.

It's the spam thread, you can be as off topic as you want.

Jagex wrote:If this is successful, will you spend less time updating the main game?

No. The future of RuneScape remains the “main” game, and we’ve got an incredibly exciting year ahead; new client technology in HTML5, improved graphics, an epic campaign of episodic content, two new skills, and much more.

Are you considering a pre-EoC server, like a 2011 version?

No. We strongly believe that the changes we’ve made to the main game are the right ones, representing the future of RuneScape. The 2007 server vote is for players who want to experience the old days and don’t mind the differences in gameplay and visuals from over 5 years ago.

They don't see any problems with the future of current RS from their statements, so I don't really see how they're admitting anything to be dead in the future of RS.

Yes, we all know Jagex are making the most of it, they are a business and will continue to get money out of things because that's how a business works. I can't see how having a list of how many people want it is bad, a lot of people really want this and want to be with it every step of the way, it's like having a target and running total for a fundraiser. These things are public all the time.

And yes, you've pointed out the entire reason I've been arguing now. There is no reason not to vote. It won't have a negative effect on Runescape, it will only help. But now we've reached a circular argument in that you still believe that it will have a negative effect and it doesn't seem that your mind will change on that matter, so I guess it will just have to come down to case of; 'we'll wait and see".

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Makes sense to me. I guess I don't have to learn about WWII in depth anymore.

Estpwner was all like "FUUUUUUCK YOU"
And then Nickvo was like "DURRR HURRR WARI"
And then Warillusen was like "YOU RACK DISCIPRINE"
And then Vanilla990 was like "WHAT WHAT TALLY HO"

Well, i'm drunk so i'll reply tomorrow >_>

AMERICA

Penguin414 wrote:There is no reason not to vote.

Can you not see how that is massively flawed in terms of actually getting some logical data?

As much as I'm sure the integrity of Jagex's data collection is in jeopardy due to people voting for such reasons, I think Jagex will cope with it.

I think I should make 10 more posts.

I think I should make another 2 posts.

Owen wrote:

Penguin414 wrote:There is no reason not to vote.

Can you not see how that is massively flawed in terms of actually getting some logical data?

I think there shouldn't even be a vote in the first place, but no, this gives all the data they require due to the fact that all they need to know is how much interest there is, just like any other petition style data collection.

I can't argue any of the other points that fit for this situation, because you disagree with all of them which leave us in a circle getting nowhere.

So when it comes down to it, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

We can all agree that this poll is better than the Wilderness & Free Trade petition. Remember, it could have been like that.

I still think it should be 07 accounts who should be able to vote.

Fucking people and their porn pages on Facebook.

Shad wrote:Fucking people and their porn pages on Facebook.

Now, I'm not that active on facebook but...

What. What kind of people do you hang around with? Are they attractive?

I don't think it's his friends, it's his friends who liked it and it goes onto his newsfeed.

I recently saw the looses clunge from a 14 year old.

98 wrote:

Shad wrote:Fucking people and their porn pages on Facebook.

Now, I'm not that active on facebook but...

What. What kind of people do you hang around with? Are they attractive?

Princess wrote:it's his friends who liked it and it goes onto his newsfeed.

Stupid lazy horny guys who want their porn and their stalking from the same website.

WHAT A GREAT SITE.

There are people that retarded with facebook/current technology that are in your age bracket Shad?

No.

No, what hope does that mean for mine, I'm not...OLD!?!?!?!??!


Oh wait, just means your age bracket has a higher density of mental retardation.

Thank god.

Is Shad's age and yours really that different?

Princess wrote:Is Shad's age and yours really that different?

I was born in 1945 apparently so...

No. Not really.

And so what? Age bracket could be anything from 5 minutes to 5 centuries. Isaac Newton's my age bracket if I just believe.

98 wrote:I was born in 1945 apparently so...

No. Not really.

And so what? Age bracket could be anything from 5 minutes to 5 centuries. Isaac Newton's my age bracket if I just believe.

I'd put us in the same age bracket, and I was apparently born in 1598. It was such a long time ago I had to look it up.

It's been a good 414 years.

I get it.

I might like to add, I'm glad we have a dark background. Other sites hurt so much to look at with just black font and white background jesus hell.

Princess wrote:I might like to add, I'm glad we have a dark background. Other sites hurt so much to look at with just black font and white background jesus hell.

This.

So much this.